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By TheophileEscargot (Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:17:39 PM EST) Reading, Watching, MLP (all tags)
Reading: "Devices and Desires". Watching: "Bender's Big Score", "Deal or No Deal". Web.


What I'm Reading
Finished Devices and Desires by K.J. Parker: first book in the Engineer's trilogy. Excellent book, one of the best fantasies I've read lately. So far though there are no magical or fantasy elements apart from the alternate world though.

The book goes from several points of view, but the main one is the engineer, who flees the engineer's kingdom for the crime of breaking a Specification: the rigid codes to which all their machines are made. The other characters are mainly nobles in the mountain kingdoms to which he flees.

The politics and the plot are superbly worked out. No pointless McGuffin chases here: the characters react to each other in intricately-plotted ways. Some of the battles are practically unique in the genre in their realism. A blundering officer works to an inaccurate map, delaying crucial weapons. A flailing besieged leader fails to launch an attack on the siege weapons being set up... which turns out not to matter as the besiegers have set them up at the wrong range. In other words, the wars are fought with just the same kinds of cock-up that happen in real life.

Characters are pretty plausible too. Might be a little short on action for some, but I found it pretty compelling. Well worth a look.

Reading 2
Wondering if there's kind of an emerging genre of hard fantasy. Kind of parallel to hard SF: no magic or supernatural elements, just using the opportunity to make an interesting world with interesting plots.

The other obvious example would be "The Merchant Princes" series by Charles Stross: anyone have any other examples?

Things that almost fit: "Ash: A Secret History" by Mary Gentle has some magic, but it's not that important to the plot. Similarly with "A Song of Ice and Fire", while the dragons and monsters are going to get important later on, the early books have worked well without much impact from them.

Watching: "Bender's Big Score"
Saw the new Futurama movie-thing: . Good: well up to the standards of the older series. It's a feature-length thing that will apparently be split up into episodes for broadcast: might be a bit frenetic for a single sitting.

A few jokes about the cancellation, but doesn't get too heavy with the inside jokes. Did seem to be trying a bit too hard to shoehorn too lots of the occasional characters in.

Overall though, if you liked the episodes, you'll probably like this.

Watching: "Deal or No Deal"
Charlie Brooker.

Very late to this party, there seemed to be a lot of fuss about this game show a couple of years ago when it started. However, they've reshuffled the office a bit and everyone where I'm sitting is into it: they always switch it on and follow it a 4:30 (usually with subtitles and no sound, fortunately).

It's an odd game. There are 22 boxes containing known amounts of money, but you don't know what's in what box. The player opens the boxes with lots of forced drama, and ends up with what's left in the last one. Periodically though he is offered the chance to "deal", to stop playing in exchange for an offer which is less than the average payout from the boxes remaining.

So, the rational course to mazimize income is just to reject all the offers and keep playing. However, because the amounts are generally low, but skewed high by a few large amounts, while the mean payout is £25,712, the median payout is a mere £875.

So, most people who play rationally will end up with less than people who irrationally take the deal.

I find it slightly disturbing in a couple of ways.

Firstly, even though everyone around me is a programmer or sysadmin of some kind, people still debate whether to deal or not. The consensus seems to be that the smart thing is to take the deal, while playing to the end is foolish. I don't understand how come they've watched this every day for months, but haven't bothered to look at the odds.

Second, it seems to be designed to make rational behaviour look stupid. Everyone seems to love laughing at the people who don't deal and end up with less. That's the rational behaviour though: taking a chance on the bigger payouts is the way the maximize income.

I may be overthinking this though. I munged some of the first season stats and the actual winnings had a mean of £18,235 and a massively increased median of £14,750.

So it could be that they're being rational in terms of utility rather than income, accepting smaller payouts in exchange for a much greater possibility of a moderate win.

I'm told they have to hang around for three weeks to get on the show, so they could for instance have a first priority of not losing 3 weeks of income.

However, the things that they say, with elaborate stragies, lucky numbers, inspiration from dreams and so on suggests to me that the players are just not very mathematically competent.

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Fashion. Ads from Ebony magazine in 1976.

Culture. William Blake. Tom Stoppard in Moscow. Beowulf.

Society. Are beauty salons like prostitution?

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And people wonder how Reagan got elected. by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #1 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:30:19 PM EST
One look at those fashions and you know the answer. It wasn't just Jimmy Carter.

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)



Certainly poor at maths. by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #2 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:15:11 PM EST
I've never known anyone analyse the odds on DOND. I've never bothered, but if I were to, then I'd have a nonlinear utility-payout function anyway. I don't know if that's rational behaviour, but it's a realistic view of how things would affect me. Also, I want to know if their backoffice staff are calculating the offers to make with a model of the player's attitude or not.



kuro5hin.org ------------------> by discordia (1.66 / 3) #3 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:22:49 PM EST




wtf? by garlic (4.00 / 1) #4 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:34:32 PM EST


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he crossposted on k5 by discordia (4.00 / 1) #6 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:27:23 PM EST
and someone over there said the same thing in comment subject:

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And? by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #14 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 07:24:19 AM EST
TE has always crossposted.

Nothing to see here, please move on.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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it by discordia (4.00 / 1) #19 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 11:40:27 AM EST
was
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joke

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I by anonimouse (4.00 / 2) #20 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 11:45:08 AM EST
know
but
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was
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good
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most
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jokes
I
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up

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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Beowulf by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:10:44 PM EST
I saw the 3-D IMAX verison last weekend and liked it a lot.

I was confused by some of the plot as it had been a long time since I'd read it, but this clears up what was confusing. The dragon being Beowulf's Mordred came from way out in left field.

But it was visually stunning, and the animation didn't bother me as much as id did others apparently. That said, fingers strumming lyres and galloping horses just didn't work. I also got a bit tired of the video game swooping. But anything that can turn Ray Winstone into a chiseled Adonis is remarkable, indeed.

The movie was good enough to make me want to read it again.
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The three things that make a diamond also make a waffle.


Ebony Ads by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:13:04 PM EST
They're still wearing those threads in India.



I thought by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #13 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 07:21:35 AM EST
..that wearing all that stuff, its hardly surprising that discrimination existed (until I remembered the terrible stuff regarded as fashion in the 1970s in UKia)

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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You know it by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #25 Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 02:29:39 PM EST
All those seventies movies with the bad fashion?  It  was  worn on the streets.  A lot of that is clubbing clothes too.  Good for picking up  the foxy mommas at the disco. 

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Utility and all that by gazbo (4.00 / 1) #8 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 04:51:33 AM EST
Makes mathematical analysis very hard.  To take a ridiculous example, if I'd won £1billion but was given a 90% chance to double it, there's no way I'd take the chance.

In fact, I think that given that the banker's offers are (I assume?) deterministic based on a logical formula from the mean remaining values, the only significant factor in the decision whether to deal or not is the utility of the offer.


"Engarde!" cried the larvae, huskily. - Scrymarch



Utility by R Mutt (2.00 / 0) #9 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 05:16:01 AM EST
The lifestyle you will have after winning £2 billion isn't twice as good as the lifestyle you'd enjoy after £1 billion; so in utility terms that's probably not worth it.

I don't think that's true for these offers though, since only the few highest offers are significantly life-changing. The top is £250,000.

If they go on the show because they're trying to get out of debt, or raise money for a lifetime dream holiday or something, the observed behaviour might make sense, since the utility of the middling sums is raised.

I think the offers are just chosen for drama. Apparently the offers are "...very occasionally even above the arithmetic mean of the remaining prizes)"

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Who goes on the show? by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #24 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 06:15:09 PM EST
If it's anything like who goes on the show in Australia, the first £1000 is going to be worth more to them than the second £1000. Though the game is definitely structured to appeal to loss-aversion, I suspect most contestants are unconsciously rational.

Friends of mine watch it, one is an engineer and one a mathematician but it's like they deliberately switch those parts of their brains off entirely for the duration.

The Political Science Department of the University of Woolloomooloo

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Deal Or No Deal by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #10 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 05:43:42 AM EST
Is really boring and does my head in. I'm not big on gameshows. Quiz shows are a different matter though, love 'em.

What do you think of the new series of the Mighty Boosh so far? I'm very disappointed.

The WIlliam Blake stuff is great.

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It's political correctness gone mad!


Mighty Boosh has gone mainstream by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 2) #15 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 07:35:45 AM EST
Sold out etc...

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Boosh by R Mutt (4.00 / 1) #16 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 08:02:43 AM EST
I thought last night's was the best of the series. Was a bit disappointed by the first two.

They seem to be a bit too stuck in the Nabootique, which feels a bit claustrophobic. There seems to be a bit of a shortage of wacky new characters and adventures. The Zooniverse was bigger and had more characters: Bob Fossil, Mrs Gideon and so on.

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My thoughts exactly by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #17 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 10:22:33 AM EST
I wasn't too keen on the first series, but series two was much more expansive, they went travelling off somewhere in every episode and rarely lingered in the flat.

There's also a bit of an obsession with London's trendy Shoreditch which is a shame. In the last series it just got the odd mention which worked really well, it's getting annoying though now.

I liked the first episode best with its comment on gentrification, spooky music and the polo-eyed Cockney nightmare.

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It's political correctness gone mad!
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Deciding to deal by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #11 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 07:12:09 AM EST
Mathematically you are probably correct, but most acceptances are probably predicated on the fact that by accepting the deal you are absolutely guaranteed to receive a sum of money that will significantly improve your life, against the possibility of recieving little (or just possibly a lot). Most people in such circumstances will opt for security, as in their minds the deal offered represents "their" money already, and by continuing they are risking "their" money.

A similar thing exists in Millionaire; I would suspect that people would hand in their chips earlier if there were no safety nets.


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


Good point by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #23 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 02:07:00 PM EST
The presenter seems to go out of his way to make people think they've "already got" a certain amount of money.

According to Richard Layard, losing a given amount of money creates an emotional pain twice as intense as the emotional pleasure caused by gaining the same sum.

So if they're thinking of the money as "theirs", in emotional terms they would want to gain about twice as much before risking it. The banker's offers do seem to hover round about half as much as the expected payout...
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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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K.J. Parker by anonimouse (4.00 / 1) #12 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 07:20:11 AM EST
I came away with mixed feelings on reading the Fencer trilogy. I felt that if the series had left out its version of magic altogether, which seemed to operate on quantum physics principles, the books would have been much tighter and better.

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL


Hard Fantasy by hulver (4.00 / 1) #18 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 11:35:01 AM EST
I suppose you could count something like Iain Banks "A Song of Stone" as a hard fantasy book. The time scale didn't seem related to any historical earth conflict.

Although reading A song of stone and Walking on glass together has me wondering somewhat about Bank's sister fucking obsession
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smart, pretty, sane. pick two - georgeha


Good example by R Mutt (2.00 / 0) #21 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 12:06:17 PM EST
Maybe he just has a really hot sister?

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Fantasy without magic by gelateria (4.00 / 1) #22 Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 01:06:34 PM EST
Harald by David D. Friedman.
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/harald/Harald.html



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